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DK Mafia: Game Thread - Mafia wins! (Read 180426 times)
Fred
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #600 - 04/13/10 at 15:29:53
 
Padz isn't curly, Kmacc is curly. Kmacc wasn't logged into the forums since before the role PMs were sent (while curly still wasn't registered), and wouldn't have got the PM until he logged in later. 100% sure. He was the only one who hadn't logged in that was on the player list.
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Chris
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #601 - 04/13/10 at 15:40:21
 
Ringo wrote on 04/13/10 at 15:22:06:
Matthew:
6 posts and yet all of them are extremely well written and concise. I've agree with almost everything he's said, it's all been spot-on. Kmacc? His idea that lynching Tommy and revealing his alliance will prove Fred's alliance is great, and I whole-heartedly agree. Town.

The votes against Curly are piling up, and while I think he's a great lynch, I agree with the idea that lynching Tommy would be very helpful. But I think we as a town need to decidede. I'm taking my vote of Curly for now in case everyone wants to go for Tommy (and to make sure we don't accidentally lynch Curly before the day is nearly over). If not, I'll be putting it back on Curly close to the end of the day.


We can finally agree on something Ringo Smiley
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Ringo
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #602 - 04/13/10 at 15:43:27
 
This is good news Chris Tongue

Fred: You could be right. I was just saying that everyone except those two can be proven active at the MK board, so it's not like someone was hit by a bus
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Fred
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #603 - 04/13/10 at 15:44:13
 
Lynching tommy has nothing to do with my alliance. I chose to lynch Ronald because he didn't give his flavor, while tommy gave who he was. If we lynch Tommy now, we get more hints about flavor. You're making up a test about what side I'm on that is not logically true because you are assuming things that you can't be sure about.
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Chris
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #604 - 04/13/10 at 15:49:56
 
Fred, this whole game is built on "assuming things that you can't be sure about".

You can never be sure, so in order to progress you have to make some well informed, logical guesses, i.e. assumptions.

EDIT: Added 'that' into my quote to make it accurate.
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Justin
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #605 - 04/13/10 at 15:54:50
 
i thought i would do a post explaining my main suspects atm for being mafia.....

LARRY: I was shocked enough when you said you were 100% sure that stan was mafia and you checked his action. This part is ok but the really weird thing you did that made me really suspicious was when you voted for Jim without much reason instead of voting for Stan who apparently IS mafia according to you the reason yuo said was something related to him maybe not being a mafai power. IM sorry but mafia=mafia all mafia deserve to be killed even if they are vanilla so tha excuse dosent work for me im afraid, could you please explain why you would vote for someone you think is mafia instead of someone you apparently know if mafia, i just dont get that logic at all.

btw how is being safe as houses going to do anything for you, if you are safe as houses by being lych immune or somthing we'll find out if you do get most votes

TOMMY: You come in late into day 1 (probably when you relized that not doing much made people notice you), fair enough, but when you come in you start talking about who is who when tht was discussed like  3-4 pages back and was decided by alot of members that there was no point to do so. You also do witty comebacks on members which also happened near the start of day 1. His comments are most of the time unrelated to the current topic and his defence is also not that good when challenged.

Even though Larry's mistake to me is more fatal than the way tommy generally plays, the fact that tommy getting lyched may reveal a clue to what fred could be (town/mafia). It may also be a good choice to vote Tommy, but for now i'll stay with larry and see how he responds to his "weird statements"
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Jim
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #606 - 04/13/10 at 15:56:41
 
Fred wrote on 04/13/10 at 15:44:13:
Lynching tommy has nothing to do with my alliance. I chose to lynch Ronald because he didn't give his flavor, while tommy gave who he was. If we lynch Tommy now, we get more hints about flavor. You're making up a test about what side I'm on that is not logically true because you are assuming things that you can't be sure about.


Please stop using the word "flavor".  It's getting to the point of overkill and is becoming annoying.
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Justin
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #607 - 04/13/10 at 16:00:44
 
bedtime again. i shoudl be able to get on approx 1 hour b4 the end if my maths is correct.....

so i'll have to check the posts then Smiley
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Jim
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #608 - 04/13/10 at 16:01:49
 
Ringo wrote on 04/13/10 at 15:22:06:
Jim:
Just like Billy, has done nothing to sway my earlier accusations against him. His only saving grace is his attack on Larry, but that seems too easy an accusation. That was a large post against Larry, it's too bad he's not willing to put forth that effort on other people. Mafia.



I'm figuring out (or at least trying to) who the members of the mafia are.  What are you doing?  You have done nothing but SUMMARIZE and PRY at people to reveal their town power roles.  Those are two things a mafia player would love to do all game long, uninhibited.

edit was added caps on to two words
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Billy
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #609 - 04/13/10 at 16:06:45
 
Curly is a terrible lynch today for obvious reasons that have been stated numerous times, no sense in stating them again. Remember the game Dave Smith was inactive all game and got lynched at the end and was TOWN Jack? Why would we want this to happen again?

Ringo, posts like the one you stated about 5-7 posts ago are kinda the reason why I think you are a mafia. You seem to be trying too hard not to make mistakes and align yourself with the town. I agree with your analysis on Tommy (him disappearing does not make much sense after the ovewhelming suspicions on him D1), but Curly is a terrible lynch.

In a way, you are playing a lot like Brett was last game, with your posting style and the long lists of analysis that seem to avoid any direct accusations towards a particular person.

I see you very high on my suspect list, I'm only holding off voting because I think that Tommy is the better lynch between you.
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Billy
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #610 - 04/13/10 at 16:13:51
 
My bad, his post was further back than I thought. Here is the post I was referencing in my previous post.

Ringo wrote on 04/13/10 at 15:22:06:
Click to read....are you kidding why would you paste this whole thing?
-Scott

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Chris
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #611 - 04/13/10 at 16:18:47
 
What I think we should do/gain out of the next few days:

Today: Lynch Tommy - his alliance will dictate to me what Fred is

Tonight: Scanner should scan Larry, and claim, because there seems to be a lot of suspicion on him atm.

Tomorrow: Depending on Tommy's result we should judge Fred, and also look into more detail about Jack's suspects, Dwight and Justin. We should also get Ringo out in the open and see if he makes any slip-ups - if he is Mafia we need to take him out. - End tomorrow with a good, well informed and reasoned lynch.

Curly is not worth the time if he is not contributing - and as I've previously mentioned, with the amount of info we have on him (none) we have a 3/4 chance of killing a townie.
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Fred
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #612 - 04/13/10 at 16:29:16
 
Okay, I honestly don't care that much any more.

Dixie Kong, Town Tracker. I dare mafia to counterclaim. Double Dare. No takers?

When I die during the night, power roles should use my death to their advantage.
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Lucas
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #613 - 04/13/10 at 16:51:19
 
If Kmacc is Curly and has been online today then why hasn't he posted?  There has to be a reason.  My conclusion he must have been silenced or he is mafia.  Most likely silenced.  


Fred claimed a character that will definitely be in this game and a famous one that would have a power role.  Definitely town even with his wrong decision on day 1.

I'm a little unsure about Larry who checked stan's action and determined he was mafia.  So how do you know he is mafia, because you couldn't have tracked him if that was fred's role.
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Larry
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Reply #614 - 04/13/10 at 16:52:14
 
dont scan me, i'm warning you. Your idiocy is making me change it back.

unvote

vote stan


HES FUCKING MAFIA!!!!!

lets at least vote off one mafia town.
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Harry
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #615 - 04/13/10 at 17:05:43
 
Larry wrote on 04/13/10 at 11:06:21:
I'm going to vote Jim.

No point me voting for Stan, i dont know if he's a mafia power role or not and I a) dont want to be the 1st in case it backfires on me as the 1st to lay vote on him and b) if it gets to the end game without me then just vote stan - simple.

I'm playing to help the team, as i said before, i'm safe as houses Smiley


How did you change your mind so quickly?

Larry, if we don't lynch you today, that means you would have showed us/prooved us that you are town. There will be one consequence anyway. you'll be most likely killed tonight...
The only thing you have to tell us  is what did you find tonight (if you  actually found something).
If you don't reveal this to us, you may be killed anyway.
So, this may be your last chance to help town.
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Chris
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #616 - 04/13/10 at 17:07:07
 
Fred wrote on 04/13/10 at 16:29:16:
Okay, I honestly don't care that much any more.

Dixie Kong, Town Tracker. I dare mafia to counterclaim. Double Dare. No takers?

When I die during the night, power roles should use my death to their advantage.


I highly doubt that.

Ok then, track me tonight and reveal what my power role is tomorrow - or you're bullshitting.

EDIT: Added quote
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Harry
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #617 - 04/13/10 at 17:08:21
 
Chris, so you have a power role...
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Chris
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #618 - 04/13/10 at 17:09:51
 
Harry wrote on 04/13/10 at 17:08:21:
Chris, so you have a power role...


Yes.
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Stan
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Reply #619 - 04/13/10 at 17:13:20
 
Larry wrote on 04/13/10 at 16:52:14:
dont scan me, i'm warning you. Your idiocy is making me change it back.

unvote

vote stan


HES FUCKING MAFIA!!!!!

lets at least vote off one mafia town.


That's as general as me saying... "Vote George, he's so mafia that I know it!" Again, no proof. Stop being scummy and explain yourself if you want to get anywhere.
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Stan
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #620 - 04/13/10 at 17:16:28
 
I'm warning you, don't scan me?? Does that mean that if we scan you we'll find out you're mafia?? Seriously, your posts flip back and forth and make no sense whatsoever.
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Chris
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #621 - 04/13/10 at 17:21:20
 
I have to sleep now, but I will certainly return before the day is over.
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Harry
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #622 - 04/13/10 at 17:24:18
 
Chris wrote on 04/13/10 at 17:07:07:
Fred wrote on 04/13/10 at 16:29:16:
Okay, I honestly don't care that much any more.

Dixie Kong, Town Tracker. I dare mafia to counterclaim. Double Dare. No takers?

When I die during the night, power roles should use my death to their advantage.


I highly doubt that.

Ok then, track me tonight and reveal what my power role is tomorrow - or you're bullshitting.

EDIT: Added quote


Why are you all just ruining the game!  :'(
Power roles may not be revealed that early!
I mean. Come on guys! we already have 2 dead townies. We have to be careful with our today's lynch knowing that we will loose one power role tonight...
Tommy's bear role seems very strange to me.
This is exactly the same action as MattV, revealing a fake role in the last game on Day1.

Vote: Tommy

I just hope this will bring us to a mafia lynch... (at last)
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Harry
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #623 - 04/13/10 at 17:30:06
 
Last thing, I'm voting Tommy and not Larry, because I hope he'll get scanned tonight and someone will actually be able to tell if he is mafia or not...
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #624 - 04/13/10 at 17:41:12
 
Day 2 Votes

Curly - (Fred), (Dwight), (Ringo), Moe, (Stan), (Harry), Michael
John - Lucas
Billy - (Ringo)
Tommy - Fred, (Jim), Billy, Chris, Harry
Kevin - (Justin), (Stan)
Ringo - (Chris), (Jim)
Lucas - (Harry)
Jim - (Stan), (Larry)
Harry - (George)
Stan - (Larry), Larry
Dwight - Jack
Larry - Bob, Justin, Jim, Stan
Fred - Kevin

Day 2 Totals

Tommy [4]
Larry [4]
Curly [2]
Dwight [1]
Stan [1]
John [1]
Fred [1]


With 21 players alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch.  

Day 2 ends in 18 hours 20 minutes, or when a player has reached 11 votes.
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Bob
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #625 - 04/13/10 at 17:47:51
 
Well Ringo is clearly a LOCK town.
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Stan
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #626 - 04/13/10 at 18:03:38
 
Ringo, I don't see the difference between my "generic summary" posts and your summary posts. Both say what they think about each person and why they should be lynched. I really just want to know what the difference is (in your eyes) with the two posts. I don't see a difference.  Undecided
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Stan
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #627 - 04/13/10 at 18:11:21
 
Okay, I'm off due to inactivity and homework. I'll be back on tomorrow because tomorrow and thurs my school opens late for Freshies, Sophmores and Seniors due to state testing. I can be on for at least 2 hours then.
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John
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #628 - 04/13/10 at 18:27:15
 
Get the freshman chicks to post for you. They might make a bit more sense.
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Stan
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #629 - 04/13/10 at 18:33:51
 
John, post something that's useful and maybe someone will listen to you.  Roll Eyes
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Matthew
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #630 - 04/13/10 at 18:35:53
 
How so Bob?

Not a single person in this game is lock town, and certainly not one who butters up contributing players to try to stay on their good side.

Ringo, I expected better from you. Doing that only builds evidence against yourself. If you actually thought those you were warming up to were good players you'd have realized that it wouldn't have flown with them. There is no need for it since it only makes mafia aware of more of town's opinion and in the end is just fluff to make your post seem longer. Really not liking that.

Nobody wants to hear about how concise you think I am. Cut that shit out.

The only thing we know for sure is that at least one of Tommy, Fred or Chris are mafia. If Tommy is lynched it reveals the alignment of both remaining players. That still seems to be the most logical choice at the moment and would reveal information that would be helpful during the Night as opposed to influencing town's lynch the next Day when it may be too late to act accordingly.

Fred has really been cocky lately too though in a Matt V sort of way. But there's a certain amount of bias on my end since I can't stand claimflaunting. It can wait until there's more evidence either way.

And on that, guys, use some common sense, it's Day 2 and we've already had five claims now I think. This is not helping town at all.
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Jim
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #631 - 04/13/10 at 18:43:55
 
Hmmm it's either we kill Tommy or kill Larry. Big decision.  Toss up.

Unvote
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Jim
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #632 - 04/13/10 at 18:49:37
 
Fred wrote on 04/13/10 at 16:29:16:
Okay, I honestly don't care that much any more.

Dixie Kong, Town Tracker. I dare mafia to counterclaim. Double Dare. No takers?

When I die during the night, power roles should use my death to their advantage.


Well if you are going to claim, you might as well tell us who you scanned last night and what result you received.  If not you are worthless and used your role terribly(you actually did use it terribly if it is in fact true).  Why would the mafia counterclaim if you are in fact mafia?  I hate you.
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Jim
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #633 - 04/13/10 at 18:57:45
 
Ah I can't decide.  Larry is the worst player in the history of kart mafia.  He does everything with no explanation and I have not forgiven him for his random vote against me.  I think it was uncalled for and he should be punished for it.  He uses retarded language and talks like a 2 year old down syndrome child.  He needs to get his head out of his ass and shape up.  I'm afraid that he might be such a terrible player that doesn't care at all about that game and there is a tendency for these kinds of players to unfortunately end up as townies.  I really hope he dies eventually.  I wouldn't mind seeing a vig  kill him off at night to test his silly power claim.

Fred claims don't mess with him.  Ohhh I'm scared!!!  I fear you Fred.  Then he claims and won't tell who he scanned and his result.  Most likely no one was scanned by him since he is unable to give results.  Seems desperate.  Leave this weakling alone I guess for another day.  If his claim is true mafia will most likely dispose of him no need to waste a lynch on him.  Time will tell if he is lying or not.

Tommy.  Tommy.   Tommy.  Played the worst day one besides Ronald.  I have a terrible fear that we might let him slide through yet another day.  I think that is why he is not speaking.  It has worked in past games where the player under considerable day 1 suspicion hides away the next day to avoid the limelight.  I'm pretty sure he is praying to go unnoticed.  I just can't let this slide.  Action must be taken.  It would be quite quite surprising if he was town to be honest.  But terrible players play terrible games, meaning anything is possible.  I think he must be killed off immediately before he can slide his way into yet another day.  

In conclusion,

Vote Tommy

This is my last vote of the day that I am going to make.  I'm not changing it unless someone flat out says they are mafia with definite proof.  I have been very indecisive today and that has to stop now.

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Bob
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #634 - 04/13/10 at 19:05:24
 
Vote: Tommy
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #635 - 04/13/10 at 19:13:46
 
Matthew wrote on 04/13/10 at 18:35:53:
How so Bob?

Not a single person in this game is lock town, and certainly not one who butters up contributing players to try to stay on their good side.

Ringo, I expected better from you. Doing that only builds evidence against yourself. If you actually thought those you were warming up to were good players you'd have realized that it wouldn't have flown with them. There is no need for it since it only makes mafia aware of more of town's opinion and in the end is just fluff to make your post seem longer. Really not liking that.

Nobody wants to hear about how concise you think I am. Cut that shit out.

The only thing we know for sure is that at least one of Tommy, Fred or Chris are mafia. If Tommy is lynched it reveals the alignment of both remaining players. That still seems to be the most logical choice at the moment and would reveal information that would be helpful during the Night as opposed to influencing town's lynch the next Day when it may be too late to act accordingly.

Fred has really been cocky lately too though in a Matt V sort of way. But there's a certain amount of bias on my end since I can't stand claimflaunting. It can wait until there's more evidence either way.

And on that, guys, use some common sense, it's Day 2 and we've already had five claims now I think. This is not helping town at all.


Wait can you explain the italics?  I might be missing something obvious but I am confused at the scenario you present.  Fred and Chris will be how so revealed?  They are both currently voting Tommy.  Can you point to a post(s) that show what their alignment would be if Tommy is lynched.  Sorry for the trouble.  I'm not much for requesting posts, but I am struggling to find the information.
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Matthew
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #636 - 04/13/10 at 19:31:29
 
Absolutely. I explained this earlier but I have no trouble restating it:

Given Fred's lynch of Ronald yesterday and his waffling in justification throughout today it's becoming increasingly likely that he was protecting Tommy from being lynched as a fellow mafia. Combined with his claim coming at such a terrible time it seems as if it was made out of guilt in (what seemed to him) a last-ditch effort to save himself.

If Tommy turned up town in a lynch it would be far more likely that Fred is town as well since no mafia would put himself on the line over two town lynches in Day 1.

But if Tommy were mafia, then the opposite holds more weight.

Combined with Chris' counterclaim it's obvious that of the two one is mafia. Killing one or the other may reveal the other's role but it says nothing about Tommy and we are set back another Day with no real direction and a potential power role loss. However Tommy's death would reveal both roles while town at worst loses a vanilla.

Unless for some reason Tommy was trying to keep mafia off him by claiming vanilla but by that point he was as good as lynched anyway.

And it's impossible that both Chris and Fred would be mafia. Mafia wouldn't needlessly throw each other under the bus so early in the game especially if Tommy did turn up mafia. That much should be obvious.

That said I think it's clear that Tommy would be a better lynch than either Chris or Fred regardless of your opinion of either of them.

As for their votes, they're both on Tommy since voting otherwise would incriminate them. Both sides rely on Tommy's death for their respective arguments to have any weight.
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Re: Day 2: where is my internetz?!
Reply #637 - 04/13/10 at 19:35:32
 
Jack wrote on 04/12/10 at 17:57:28:
I'm quite suspicious of Dwight at the moment. Here's all of his posts thus far:

Dwight wrote on 04/10/10 at 11:17:24:
I'm stuck trying to find a couple of the blueprint pieces.  Anyone want to help?


His first post is saucy and seems like he's hinting as to what DK character he is. I don't get why anyone would do it (unless it's a joke), but since it's one of the few of the first posts of the thread I'm going to assume it was a joke post (like most of the opening posts of Day 1 are)

Yeah, I was just joking.  I didn't think people would keep bringing that post to the Mafia's attention though.
Jack wrote on 04/12/10 at 17:57:28:
Dwight wrote on 04/10/10 at 17:18:24:
7 people haven't posted yet

Curly
Kevin
Billy
Tommy
Chris
Matthew
Stan

these people need to speak up so we can get a read on them
i'll vote for the first on the list to get them started

Vote: Curly


His 2nd post and he is pointing out everyone who hasn't posted, seems a little odd to do that when you only have 2 posts yourself? I understand it's early in Day 1 though, and he's trying to get people to post so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt here.

I could've made a list of people under 5 posts or something, but that would've been over half the players.  I was pretty much just trying to make sure everyone had checked their PM and knew the game had started
Jack wrote on 04/12/10 at 17:57:28:
Dwight wrote on 04/11/10 at 10:54:33:
even though figuring out people's kart names in the first 24 hours seems counter-productive (it pretty much is), we still have plenty of time to gather as much info as we can.
generally clues from day 1 don't seem to make sense until people have started to be eliminated (either town powers or mafia).
if we want to reach a majority vote on day 1, we should try to make it occur as close to the deadline as we can (but have an idea who we want this person to be ahead of time, so we don't do anything foolish) so we can take advantage of all the posting time we're allotted.
no one should be claiming roles this early, because that will only help the mafia.


Here he just states the obvious. People know guessing who other people are is helping the mafia, people know we have the whole of Day 1 to collect info, people know we should use the day to its full potential, people know claiming roles on Day 1 isn't benefitial ... so it just seems like a long post that looks informative but when you look at it closely it's just stating obvious points with no insightful information.

Just because one person thinks things are obvious, doesn't mean everyone does.  Why do we type anything at all if everything is obvious?
Jack wrote on 04/12/10 at 17:57:28:
Dwight wrote on 04/11/10 at 10:59:04:
"Days will last 48 hours, or until a majority vote is reached.  If no majority is reached, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched.  In the case of a tie, the day will continue until the tie is broken, with only votes and unvotes on the tied players counting.  You may also vote for "No Lynch".  You cannot vote for yourself.

Nights will last 24 hours.  All night actions must be sent to me by message board PM by then."

where does koops say that day 1 is only 24 hours rather than 48?


Quite different from the last post, here you're just confirming that the day isn't about to end. It adds to your post count but it isn't really a contribution. Why do you care at this stage how long the day is? You haven't actually voiced ANY suspicions yet, you haven't voiced your opinion, you haven't questioned anyone, so why would you make a post which would be concerning to how long before the day ends?

I didn't see any red flags in day 1.  I was hoping the 2nd half of the day would be less fluff, but the day was 24 hours short.  I didn't want to accuse a stupid townie, like Ronald.
Jack wrote on 04/12/10 at 17:57:28:
Dwight wrote on 04/11/10 at 12:07:32:
I don't think it is over yet, Stan.  I would, however, like to see updated vote counts if it isn't over.  If anything, it would help us view voting trends.  Is that site still up from previous mafia games that showed current vote totals and total posts by day?


Continuing on from the previous post and asking a question to see the vote count. You want to see the vote trends. You voted someone who hasn't posted. You haven't accused anyone. You haven't voiced a thing other than the obvious.

Voting trends help link people together.
Jack wrote on 04/12/10 at 17:57:28:
Dwight wrote on 04/12/10 at 14:30:47:
I've been reading through Marks posts, but I don't see any reason why the mafia picked him.  He voted for both Lucas and Bob, but had no vote registered at the end of the day.  Lets look closer at Bob and Lucas to see if there are any similarities.  It would be a slipup by mafia is either were one.

Bob:
Voted Ronald
His mafia suspects are ronald, matthew, george, larry, and jack.
His town suspects are moe, harry, and fred
He's posted quite a bit and haven't seen any big red flags from him.

Lucas:
Voted for Curly and John (both for no reason)
Says George is definitely town, so hey have that in common.
Not many posts and none really informative.

George:
Probably most posts with 65.
Voted Harry, Mark, Florry, Ronald, Stan, Justin, and Tommy.
Claims Bob is mafia and thinks justin, tommy, fred, stan and harry are good targets.

I think anyone who is posting a lot should stay longer, because they have more chances to slip up.  Quiet people probably won't post later either, so we don't lose much.

I'll place my vote the same as yesterday and hope he votes.

Vote: Curly


You actually have a good opening of a post here, trying and figure out why Mark died, which I approve of. You go into detail and give statistics for those who Mark voted. You then randomly throw George into the equation (unless there is a reason, apologies if there is but I can't see it) then you exclaim active people should be kept alive and people who aren't posting should go, and place a vote on someone who hasn't spoke.

I can't help but feel you're just copying trends of other people (e.g voting for Curly is what a handful of other people have done) and it seems that looking into Marks death was pointless because you ended up not using it and instead voting for someone who hasn't posted. Why would you bring up those stats if you clearly had no intention on persuing any of them?

I brought up George, because he was a common link of Bob and Lucas.  I had thought I saw Bob and Lucas said he was definite town, but I had looked at it wrong.  I only brought them up as a link to the lynched man of day 1 to see if there were any connections.
Jack wrote on 04/12/10 at 17:57:28:
Dwight wrote on 04/12/10 at 16:43:17:
The odds are around 4% that he's unscannable, so we shouldn't worry about that (at least for now).  I don't think the scanner should reveal his findings or role until he has found at least 2 mafia.


Dwight wrote on 04/12/10 at 16:44:35:
Regarding Tommy that is


Some percentage as to what the chances are that someone can't be scanned (What is this I don't even) and then just stating that the scanner shouldn't claim ... again I can't help but feel you're just stating what appears to be obvious. You mention Tommy in the post but don't even mention whether you think he is suspicious or not?

None of your posts have actually pointed anyone out, and you haven't listed any suspicions of anyone. I would see no reason as to why anyone would do this, not mentioning even one person they found to be a little fishy, other than inactive posters. I have no problem with you finding people with 0 posts to be suspect (I'm suspect of them too, there is absolutely no reason as to why they shouldn't be posting) but you haven't voiced any opinion whatsoever on any of the active posters and this bugs me.

So I will be the first to ask you this Dwight.

Who do you think is suspicious at the moment? Who do you think is mafia and why? If you had to vote for someone to be lynched, who would it be?

Edit : Grammar Fails


Assuming there is a mafia role that appears townie in scans (like most other mafia games), thats 1 player out of 21 (thought it was 23 before, so I said 4%), so it's actually 5%.

As for a potential mafia list, John seems to be the most suspicious to me.  Over half of his posts don't even relate to the game of mafia.  They don't have to be focusing on certain players, but when all your posts are short (less than 10 words), and range from dissing Miley Cyrus to basically just saying how everyone's name is girlie compared to his own.  He just seems more trollish than anything.

Vote: John
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Reply #638 - 04/13/10 at 19:35:43
 
Gotcha Matthew.  I think it is best now for you to place a vote on Tommy to keep this train rolling.
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Reply #639 - 04/13/10 at 19:37:09
 
Dwight wrote on 04/13/10 at 19:35:32:
Jack wrote on 04/12/10 at 17:57:28:
I'm quite suspicious of Dwight at the moment. Here's all of his posts thus far:

Dwight wrote on 04/10/10 at 11:17:24:
I'm stuck trying to find a couple of the blueprint pieces.  Anyone want to help?


His first post is saucy and seems like he's hinting as to what DK character he is. I don't get why anyone would do it (unless it's a joke), but since it's one of the few of the first posts of the thread I'm going to assume it was a joke post (like most of the opening posts of Day 1 are)

Yeah, I was just joking.  I didn't think people would keep bringing that post to the Mafia's attention though.
Jack wrote on 04/12/10 at 17:57:28:
Dwight wrote on 04/10/10 at 17:18:24:
7 people haven't posted yet

Curly
Kevin
Billy
Tommy
Chris
Matthew
Stan

these people need to speak up so we can get a read on them
i'll vote for the first on the list to get them started

Vote: Curly


His 2nd post and he is pointing out everyone who hasn't posted, seems a little odd to do that when you only have 2 posts yourself? I understand it's early in Day 1 though, and he's trying to get people to post so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt here.

I could've made a list of people under 5 posts or something, but that would've been over half the players.  I was pretty much just trying to make sure everyone had checked their PM and knew the game had started
Jack wrote on 04/12/10 at 17:57:28:
Dwight wrote on 04/11/10 at 10:54:33:
even though figuring out people's kart names in the first 24 hours seems counter-productive (it pretty much is), we still have plenty of time to gather as much info as we can.
generally clues from day 1 don't seem to make sense until people have started to be eliminated (either town powers or mafia).
if we want to reach a majority vote on day 1, we should try to make it occur as close to the deadline as we can (but have an idea who we want this person to be ahead of time, so we don't do anything foolish) so we can take advantage of all the posting time we're allotted.
no one should be claiming roles this early, because that will only help the mafia.


Here he just states the obvious. People know guessing who other people are is helping the mafia, people know we have the whole of Day 1 to collect info, people know we should use the day to its full potential, people know claiming roles on Day 1 isn't benefitial ... so it just seems like a long post that looks informative but when you look at it closely it's just stating obvious points with no insightful information.

Just because one person thinks things are obvious, doesn't mean everyone does.  Why do we type anything at all if everything is obvious?
Jack wrote on 04/12/10 at 17:57:28:
Dwight wrote on 04/11/10 at 10:59:04:
"Days will last 48 hours, or until a majority vote is reached.  If no majority is reached, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched.  In the case of a tie, the day will continue until the tie is broken, with only votes and unvotes on the tied players counting.  You may also vote for "No Lynch".  You cannot vote for yourself.

Nights will last 24 hours.  All night actions must be sent to me by message board PM by then."

where does koops say that day 1 is only 24 hours rather than 48?


Quite different from the last post, here you're just confirming that the day isn't about to end. It adds to your post count but it isn't really a contribution. Why do you care at this stage how long the day is? You haven't actually voiced ANY suspicions yet, you haven't voiced your opinion, you haven't questioned anyone, so why would you make a post which would be concerning to how long before the day ends?

I didn't see any red flags in day 1.  I was hoping the 2nd half of the day would be less fluff, but the day was 24 hours short.  I didn't want to accuse a stupid townie, like Ronald.
Jack wrote on 04/12/10 at 17:57:28:
Dwight wrote on 04/11/10 at 12:07:32:
I don't think it is over yet, Stan.  I would, however, like to see updated vote counts if it isn't over.  If anything, it would help us view voting trends.  Is that site still up from previous mafia games that showed current vote totals and total posts by day?


Continuing on from the previous post and asking a question to see the vote count. You want to see the vote trends. You voted someone who hasn't posted. You haven't accused anyone. You haven't voiced a thing other than the obvious.

Voting trends help link people together.
Jack wrote on 04/12/10 at 17:57:28:
Dwight wrote on 04/12/10 at 14:30:47:
I've been reading through Marks posts, but I don't see any reason why the mafia picked him.  He voted for both Lucas and Bob, but had no vote registered at the end of the day.  Lets look closer at Bob and Lucas to see if there are any similarities.  It would be a slipup by mafia is either were one.

Bob:
Voted Ronald
His mafia suspects are ronald, matthew, george, larry, and jack.
His town suspects are moe, harry, and fred
He's posted quite a bit and haven't seen any big red flags from him.

Lucas:
Voted for Curly and John (both for no reason)
Says George is definitely town, so hey have that in common.
Not many posts and none really informative.

George:
Probably most posts with 65.
Voted Harry, Mark, Florry, Ronald, Stan, Justin, and Tommy.
Claims Bob is mafia and thinks justin, tommy, fred, stan and harry are good targets.

I think anyone who is posting a lot should stay longer, because they have more chances to slip up.  Quiet people probably won't post later either, so we don't lose much.

I'll place my vote the same as yesterday and hope he votes.

Vote: Curly


You actually have a good opening of a post here, trying and figure out why Mark died, which I approve of. You go into detail and give statistics for those who Mark voted. You then randomly throw George into the equation (unless there is a reason, apologies if there is but I can't see it) then you exclaim active people should be kept alive and people who aren't posting should go, and place a vote on someone who hasn't spoke.

I can't help but feel you're just copying trends of other people (e.g voting for Curly is what a handful of other people have done) and it seems that looking into Marks death was pointless because you ended up not using it and instead voting for someone who hasn't posted. Why would you bring up those stats if you clearly had no intention on persuing any of them?

I brought up George, because he was a common link of Bob and Lucas.  I had thought I saw Bob and Lucas said he was definite town, but I had looked at it wrong.  I only brought them up as a link to the lynched man of day 1 to see if there were any connections.
Jack wrote on 04/12/10 at 17:57:28:
Dwight wrote on 04/12/10 at 16:43:17:
The odds are around 4% that he's unscannable, so we shouldn't worry about that (at least for now).  I don't think the scanner should reveal his findings or role until he has found at least 2 mafia.


Dwight wrote on 04/12/10 at 16:44:35:
Regarding Tommy that is


Some percentage as to what the chances are that someone can't be scanned (What is this I don't even) and then just stating that the scanner shouldn't claim ... again I can't help but feel you're just stating what appears to be obvious. You mention Tommy in the post but don't even mention whether you think he is suspicious or not?

None of your posts have actually pointed anyone out, and you haven't listed any suspicions of anyone. I would see no reason as to why anyone would do this, not mentioning even one person they found to be a little fishy, other than inactive posters. I have no problem with you finding people with 0 posts to be suspect (I'm suspect of them too, there is absolutely no reason as to why they shouldn't be posting) but you haven't voiced any opinion whatsoever on any of the active posters and this bugs me.

So I will be the first to ask you this Dwight.

Who do you think is suspicious at the moment? Who do you think is mafia and why? If you had to vote for someone to be lynched, who would it be?

Edit : Grammar Fails


Assuming there is a mafia role that appears townie in scans (like most other mafia games), thats 1 player out of 21 (thought it was 23 before, so I said 4%), so it's actually 5%.

As for a potential mafia list, John seems to be the most suspicious to me.  Over half of his posts don't even relate to the game of mafia.  They don't have to be focusing on certain players, but when all your posts are short (less than 10 words), and range from dissing Miley Cyrus to basically just saying how everyone's name is girlie compared to his own.  He just seems more trollish than anything.

Vote: John






Why are you quoting yourself and asking yourself questions??? lol?

edit - something is definitely wrong with the quoting on this board.

Fixed
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Reply #640 - 04/13/10 at 19:39:34
 
Jack had questions for me.  I guess I don't understand how to do quotes inside of quotes  heh
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Reply #641 - 04/13/10 at 19:57:23
 
Jim wrote on 04/13/10 at 19:35:43:
Gotcha Matthew.  I think it is best now for you to place a vote on Tommy to keep this train rolling.

I disagree. Potentially cutting the Day short impedes discussion and chances are further votes right now will just discourage everyone else from contributing any more information while it lasts.

Not to mention that throwing votes on Tommy long before the Day ends makes it more likely that people will start to jump off of him as the end draws nearer.

It's more important that this decision is come to rationally rather than by a pissing contest between who has more votes. That's how mafia is able to manipulate lynches and it's likely how Ronald was lynched instead of Tommy.

I'll be around at the end of the Day and will place my vote then. Unless you feel strongly about me placing a vote then I see no reason to do so at the moment.
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Reply #642 - 04/13/10 at 20:12:02
 
Fair enough.
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Reply #643 - 04/13/10 at 20:21:26
 
Larry's nonsensical posts continue to solidify himself as mafia.

Matthew, I don't know why you're complaining. If I choose to analyze everyone, I fail to see how this is a bad thing. Warming up to people? I think the quality of your posts reflects you as town, why should I keep this to myself? If I choose to analyze everyone in a single post, that will include the people who are good and townie, and if they are good and townie, I'll freakin' say it if I want to.

Now Chris is claiming a power role? With all these power role claims, it's easy pickings for the mafia right now. I don't think they're all mafia claiming power roles, so most likely one of them will die tonight. Given these circumstances, I think a Curly lynch will probably have to wait.

Jim wrote on 04/13/10 at 16:01:49:
You have done nothing but SUMMARIZE and PRY at people to reveal their town power roles.  Those are two things a mafia player would love to do all game long, uninhibited.


Wtf are you talking about? Show me once where I attempted to pry for someone to reveal his town power role, who already didn't?

Billy wrote on 04/13/10 at 16:06:45:
In a way, you are playing a lot like Brett was last game, with your posting style and the long lists of analysis that seem to avoid any direct accusations towards a particular person.


I don't know wtf you're talking about either. I've made all my accusations quite clear. I've listed who I thought was mafia with clear reasons. I just choose not to litter the topic with post after post after post, and prefer to not let a single person escape my eyes.

Fred wrote on 04/13/10 at 16:29:16:
Dixie Kong, Town Tracker. I dare mafia to counterclaim. Double Dare. No takers?


Why are you so confident mafia will not counterclaim? How do we know you're not mafia fishing for the real Dixie Kong to make himself (herself?) known? I don't think you are, but it just seems like you're trying very hard to get someone to counterclaim, as if you're expecting it.

Sorry if I seem like I'm unnecessarily angry. I feel like shit right now and I just want to go back to sleep.
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Reply #644 - 04/13/10 at 20:24:59
 
If someone counterclaims, one of the two is mafia.  Lynch one, and lynch the other if the first isn't mafia.  I like those odds.
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Reply #645 - 04/13/10 at 20:58:25
 
Day 2 Votes

Curly - (Fred), (Dwight), (Ringo), Moe, (Stan), (Harry), Michael
John - Lucas, Dwight
Billy - (Ringo)
Tommy - Fred, (Jim), Billy, Chris, Harry, Jim
Kevin - (Justin), (Stan)
Ringo - (Chris), (Jim)
Lucas - (Harry)
Jim - (Stan), (Larry)
Harry - (George)
Stan - (Larry), Larry
Dwight - Jack
Larry - Bob, Justin, (Jim), Stan
Fred - Kevin

Day 2 Totals

Tommy [5]
Larry [3]
John [2]
Curly [2]
Dwight [1]
Stan [1]
Fred [1]


With 21 players alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch.  

Day 2 ends in 15 hours, or when a player has reached 11 votes.
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Reply #646 - 04/13/10 at 21:27:43
 
I'd bet you my hand that you won't see a counterclaim against him.
Yeah, the way it goes on is really simple: A lies and he's mafia so B says the truth and vice versa. Just kill one of them and fin the other role.
The big amount of times I've seen a counterclaim, the odds are usually against the counterclaimer. That's caused by the typic "Innocent until proven guilty" . If A claims being any power role, and B counterclaims it; the lynch will take out probably B. Another point about them is that they're usually made by mafias, so most of times that counterclaims fail coz mafia who has done it usually gets lynched. Anyway, take into consideration that the counterclaim "only" could give an advantage to mafia in the case that the real power role townie dies, losing the town a good weapon; but losing theirselves the lost 1 of mafias, so the proportion of Mafias per Townies decrease.
The better strat for mafia is claiming them a fake power role, and then just wait for the counterclaim of the real one, scenario that will probably ends with the lynch of counterclaimer and the lynch of the mafia in the next day.
I hope Fred knew what he was doing when he made the counterclaim. Wanna believe that he's who he's saying to be, but it always possible he could be mafia. Statiscaly more townie than mafia for me with that claiming, but time will bring us more definitively proofs about the claim.
Unvoting Curly is a wise act in my opinion. I must accept that I just vote him coz I considered him unhelpful for the game during this first two days; but the goal of the game is seek and destroy mafias, not get of rid of inactive players. Koopz will take a decission about that, he's the mod and it's an issue that he'll solved as he seems better; but we should focus on locating mafias.
So Unvote

Matthew's logic about Fred/Tommy being in the same boat against Chris ones seems well-built and solid. Facts and points he has showed give his logic a solid base. Anyway the possible connection between Fred and Tommy and the claim of Fred could give a possible alibi for Tommy, putting pressure instead on Chris. I have a long night to think about this mess and give myself time to make a wise vote based on new deductions and in new posts coming.
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Reply #647 - 04/14/10 at 00:15:27
 
As I feared Matthew...The day will be almost over by the time I wake up in the morning and kart mafia players never tend to be around when the day ends.  That's why I encouraged a vote.  I trust you on being here tomorrow when the shit hits the fan.  Mafia could easily fuck us over with a few vote changes at this moment.
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Reply #648 - 04/14/10 at 01:04:35
 
I won't be around again before the day ends so I'll go ahead and vote now.

Vote: Tommy

And if I die before tomorrow: Don't auto-trust the claims (Fred/Larry), even if nobody counterclaims.  Not every role is necessarily in the game.  Don't trust people who make long list posts (Ringo/Chris) just because they make long lists.  If either of them turn out to be mafia later, take a good look back at their lists.  Mafia likes to put their buddies in the "I don't have a good read on this guy but he seems like town for now" category.  Don't let people get away with following all the easiest lynches (Stan, anyone who has been trying hard to lynch Curly).  Look at the reasoning for people's votes, not just the final tallies.

And most importantly, don't listen to Bob. Cool
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Reply #649 - 04/14/10 at 04:15:19
 
Dwight wrote on 04/13/10 at 19:35:32:
Jack wrote on 04/12/10 at 17:57:28:
Way too long of quote. Just click.
-Scott


Assuming there is a mafia role that appears townie in scans (like most other mafia games), thats 1 player out of 21 (thought it was 23 before, so I said 4%), so it's actually 5%.

As for a potential mafia list, John seems to be the most suspicious to me.  Over half of his posts don't even relate to the game of mafia.  They don't have to be focusing on certain players, but when all your posts are short (less than 10 words), and range from dissing Miley Cyrus to basically just saying how everyone's name is girlie compared to his own.  He just seems more trollish than anything.

Vote: John


You cunt. I now have to formulate a new theory as to why I should vote for you. Though my name is more manly than yours. You know its true Dwight.
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